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Mitchell Holman[_2_]
February 1st 07, 02:35 PM
Art Woodbury[_1_]
February 2nd 07, 01:12 AM
In article >, 
 says...
> 
> begin 644 Lighting Ski.jpg
I posted recently on this subject. Does anyone know why 
Lightnings had the contra-rotating props on the "wrong" 
sides? P-factor and torque from the outward-turning props 
make both sides critical in an engine-out situation. Kelly 
Johnson didn't make mistakes like this. Is there an 
explanation?
Art W.
Art Woodbury[_1_]
February 2nd 07, 01:12 AM
In article >, 
 says...
> 
> begin 644 Lighting Ski.jpg
I posted recently on this subject. Does anyone know why 
Lightnings had the contra-rotating props on the "wrong" 
sides? P-factor and torque from the outward-turning props 
make both sides critical in an engine-out situation. Kelly 
Johnson didn't make mistakes like this. Is there an 
explanation?
Art W.
Frank from Deeeetroit
February 3rd 07, 05:17 PM
"Art Woodbury" > wrote in message 
.. .
> In article >,
>  says...
>>
>> begin 644 Lighting Ski.jpg
>
> I posted recently on this subject. Does anyone know why
> Lightnings had the contra-rotating props on the "wrong"
> sides? P-factor and torque from the outward-turning props
> make both sides critical in an engine-out situation. Kelly
> Johnson didn't make mistakes like this. Is there an
> explanation?
>
> Art W.
To balence out the torque generated by the two engines.
Frank from Deeeetroit
February 3rd 07, 05:17 PM
"Art Woodbury" > wrote in message 
.. .
> In article >,
>  says...
>>
>> begin 644 Lighting Ski.jpg
>
> I posted recently on this subject. Does anyone know why
> Lightnings had the contra-rotating props on the "wrong"
> sides? P-factor and torque from the outward-turning props
> make both sides critical in an engine-out situation. Kelly
> Johnson didn't make mistakes like this. Is there an
> explanation?
>
> Art W.
To balence out the torque generated by the two engines.
Lynn in StLou
February 3rd 07, 07:40 PM
Frank from Deeeetroit wrote:
> "Art Woodbury" > wrote in message 
> .. .
>> In article >,
>>  says...
>>> begin 644 Lighting Ski.jpg
>> I posted recently on this subject. Does anyone know why
>> Lightnings had the contra-rotating props on the "wrong"
>> sides? P-factor and torque from the outward-turning props
>> make both sides critical in an engine-out situation. Kelly
>> Johnson didn't make mistakes like this. Is there an
>> explanation?
>>
>> Art W.
> 
> To balence out the torque generated by the two engines. 
> 
> 
Balancing the torque is correct.  But, IIRC, they 
originally rotated the opposite direction (facing 
craft, top rotating in), and were changed to help 
resolve a buffeting problem.
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Lynn in StLou
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Lynn in StLou
February 3rd 07, 07:40 PM
Frank from Deeeetroit wrote:
> "Art Woodbury" > wrote in message 
> .. .
>> In article >,
>>  says...
>>> begin 644 Lighting Ski.jpg
>> I posted recently on this subject. Does anyone know why
>> Lightnings had the contra-rotating props on the "wrong"
>> sides? P-factor and torque from the outward-turning props
>> make both sides critical in an engine-out situation. Kelly
>> Johnson didn't make mistakes like this. Is there an
>> explanation?
>>
>> Art W.
> 
> To balence out the torque generated by the two engines. 
> 
> 
Balancing the torque is correct.  But, IIRC, they 
originally rotated the opposite direction (facing 
craft, top rotating in), and were changed to help 
resolve a buffeting problem.
-- 
Lynn in StLou
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Art Woodbury[_1_]
February 3rd 07, 10:39 PM
In article >, 
 says...
> Frank from Deeeetroit wrote:
> > "Art Woodbury" > wrote in message 
> > .. .
> >> In article >,
> >>  says...
> >>> begin 644 Lighting Ski.jpg
> >> I posted recently on this subject. Does anyone know why
> >> Lightnings had the contra-rotating props on the "wrong"
> >> sides? P-factor and torque from the outward-turning props
> >> make both sides critical in an engine-out situation. Kelly
> >> Johnson didn't make mistakes like this. Is there an
> >> explanation?
> >>
> >> Art W.
> > 
> > To balence out the torque generated by the two engines. 
> > 
> > 
> Balancing the torque is correct.  But, IIRC, they 
> originally rotated the opposite direction (facing 
> craft, top rotating in), and were changed to help 
> resolve a buffeting problem.
> 
> 
Balancing torque is helpful of course, but more important 
is minimizing P-factor, where you can run out of rudder 
authority sooner when the critical engine is out. Inward-
turning props would help that situation a lot. 
Resolving a buffeting problem is certainly a reasonable 
answer. I was sure there must have been an important reason 
to sacrifice engine-out handling.
Art Woodbury[_1_]
February 3rd 07, 10:39 PM
In article >, 
 says...
> Frank from Deeeetroit wrote:
> > "Art Woodbury" > wrote in message 
> > .. .
> >> In article >,
> >>  says...
> >>> begin 644 Lighting Ski.jpg
> >> I posted recently on this subject. Does anyone know why
> >> Lightnings had the contra-rotating props on the "wrong"
> >> sides? P-factor and torque from the outward-turning props
> >> make both sides critical in an engine-out situation. Kelly
> >> Johnson didn't make mistakes like this. Is there an
> >> explanation?
> >>
> >> Art W.
> > 
> > To balence out the torque generated by the two engines. 
> > 
> > 
> Balancing the torque is correct.  But, IIRC, they 
> originally rotated the opposite direction (facing 
> craft, top rotating in), and were changed to help 
> resolve a buffeting problem.
> 
> 
Balancing torque is helpful of course, but more important 
is minimizing P-factor, where you can run out of rudder 
authority sooner when the critical engine is out. Inward-
turning props would help that situation a lot. 
Resolving a buffeting problem is certainly a reasonable 
answer. I was sure there must have been an important reason 
to sacrifice engine-out handling.
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